Deliberation Thus Far

February 10, 2014: Intro

 

  1. Personal Stake:
    1. Ben: Prepare an individual for life

i.    ——————- Make holistic individuals

ii.    —————— Help students in “…finding a place in the world”

———————————Option 2

  1. Kaitlin: College is too expensive

i.     —————-Too much debt

ii.     —————-People cannot always pay back this debt in today’s economy

———————————Option 3

  1. Liz: Equal opportunity

i.   —————–  Difference in price of private vs. public college education

ii.    —————- People often pick majors based on how profitable a job they can receive

——————————Option 3

  1. Christina: Need to compete with global economy

i.    —————— Learn the values of working with others – globalization

——————————Option 1 and a bit of Option 2

  1. Erin: It is “not enough to just be educated”

i.     ——————Need to learn morals

ii.     —————–Learn to be a good person as part of one’s education

——————————Option 2

  1. Sean: Broaden Horizons

i.   ——————-  Define what you are passionate about in college

ii.    —————— Do so, by studying other peoples and values and setting up one’s own beliefs

—————————–Option 2

  1. Nicki: Grow as a person

i.    —————– College is much more than learning a subject

ii.     —————College is learning how to be an adult and how to establish your identity

iii.    ————– Define morals and values

—————————–Option 2

  1. Majors:
    1. Ben: College of Liberal Arts à Business
    2. Kaitlin: Criminology and Psychology
    3. Liz: Actuarial Science
    4. Christina: International Politics and Criminology
    5. Erin: Classics and Ancient Mediterranean Studies and Anthropology
    6. Nicki: Materials Science and Engineering
    7. Sean: ?
  2. Topics of Discussion:
    1. What are we loosing out on with Option 2?

i.   ——————-  Loosing our technological advancements

  1. ———————–Always want things in society to be easier/ more convenient

ii.     —————–Learn about different people = increased international students

  1. ———————Makes it harder for American students to get into college

2. International countries start intensive education earlier. Should we?

i.    —————– Elementary American education is much more relaxed

ii.    —————- Accelerating education too fast too late

  1. ———————–Should stimulate interest at a young age, through specialization options
    1. Possible Steps Toward Increased Specialization without Loosing Values/ Morals:

i.     —————-Give children specialized opportunities at a young age in school

ii.     —————FLEX – language program in 3rd grade – Choose to continue or not take language throughout elementary school

    1. Global Competition – Language in Schools as a Way to Stay Globally Connected

i.     —————Give more language options

ii.   —————  Inform people of the importance of taking languages, such as Chinese

    1. Federal Government Help?

i.     ————-No standardization – every kid is different

  1. —————–Focus so much on bottom kids – top kids have nowhere to go
    1. Raise Bar for all Students as a Way to Encourage Students? Even Bottom Students?

i.  —————-Can Discourage bottom kids

ii.     ————-Need to continue to help the struggling students

iii.     ————Yet still need to allow strong students to thrive and grow

    1. Parental Responsibility to Encourage Students to Do Well?

i.   ————– More guidance for kids with encouraging parents

ii.     ————France banned HW

iii.     ———–HW prepares you for college – doing work by yourself

  1. —————–Should be a kid’s responsibility rather than the parents’
    1. Values Taught by Family

i.   ——–  Government should not be telling parents how to raise their kids

  1. ———–Against Option 2

ii.   —————  Teachers have to step up and act like a parent to kids occasionally, but they should not teach the kids all values

February 10, 2014: Intro

 

  1. Personal Stake:
    1. Ben: Prepare an individual for life

i.    ——————- Make holistic individuals

ii.    —————— Help students in “…finding a place in the world”

———————————Option 2

  1. Kaitlin: College is too expensive

i.     —————-Too much debt

ii.     —————-People cannot always pay back this debt in today’s economy

———————————Option 3

  1. Liz: Equal opportunity

i.   —————–  Difference in price of private vs. public college education

ii.    —————- People often pick majors based on how profitable a job they can receive

——————————Option 3

  1. Christina: Need to compete with global economy

i.    —————— Learn the values of working with others – globalization

——————————Option 1 and a bit of Option 2

  1. Erin: It is “not enough to just be educated”

i.     ——————Need to learn morals

ii.     —————–Learn to be a good person as part of one’s education

——————————Option 2

  1. Sean: Broaden Horizons

i.   ——————-  Define what you are passionate about in college

ii.    —————— Do so, by studying other peoples and values and setting up one’s own beliefs

—————————–Option 2

  1. Nicki: Grow as a person

i.    —————– College is much more than learning a subject

ii.     —————College is learning how to be an adult and how to establish your identity

iii.    ————– Define morals and values

—————————–Option 2

  1. Majors:
    1. Ben: College of Liberal Arts à Business
    2. Kaitlin: Criminology and Psychology
    3. Liz: Actuarial Science
    4. Christina: International Politics and Criminology
    5. Erin: Classics and Ancient Mediterranean Studies and Anthropology
    6. Nicki: Materials Science and Engineering
    7. Sean: ?
  2. Topics of Discussion:
    1. What are we loosing out on with Option 2?

i.   ——————-  Loosing our technological advancements

  1. ———————–Always want things in society to be easier/ more convenient

ii.     —————–Learn about different people = increased international students

  1. ———————Makes it harder for American students to get into college

2. International countries start intensive education earlier. Should we?

i.    —————– Elementary American education is much more relaxed

ii.    —————- Accelerating education too fast too late

  1. ———————–Should stimulate interest at a young age, through specialization options
    1. Possible Steps Toward Increased Specialization without Loosing Values/ Morals:

i.     —————-Give children specialized opportunities at a young age in school

ii.     —————FLEX – language program in 3rd grade – Choose to continue or not take language throughout elementary school

    1. Global Competition – Language in Schools as a Way to Stay Globally Connected

i.     —————Give more language options

ii.   —————  Inform people of the importance of taking languages, such as Chinese

    1. Federal Government Help?

i.     ————-No standardization – every kid is different

  1. —————–Focus so much on bottom kids – top kids have nowhere to go
    1. Raise Bar for all Students as a Way to Encourage Students? Even Bottom Students?

i.  —————-Can Discourage bottom kids

ii.     ————-Need to continue to help the struggling students

iii.     ————Yet still need to allow strong students to thrive and grow

    1. Parental Responsibility to Encourage Students to Do Well?

i.   ————– More guidance for kids with encouraging parents

ii.     ————France banned HW

iii.     ———–HW prepares you for college – doing work by yourself

  1. —————–Should be a kid’s responsibility rather than the parents’
    1. Values Taught by Family

i.   ——–  Government should not be telling parents how to raise their kids

  1. ———–Against Option 2

ii.   —————  Teachers have to step up and act like a parent to kids occasionally, but they should not teach the kids all values

Personal Stake in Option Two:

 

-Nicki: Likes Option Two

-some of it has to come from families

-people should take ethics courses; things pertaining to values

 

-Liz: Higher education plays a part, but so does family

-interesting to see if it would work to incorporate courses

 

-Ben: Need ethics to use knowledge from college effectively

-Shouldn’t be trying to force ideas down students throats

 

– Christina: responsibility to instill certain values, but problems could arise because values vary for every person. Should be a foundation set of courses.

 

-Sean: Don’t know how much college could instill morals, already have morals when you go to college.

 

-Berty: Can’t relate because hasn’t taken any ethics course.

-learn certain values through teachers

 

How can we stop colleges from overstepping that boundary?

-Look at different points of views

-Already have morals set so it won’t change you that much

-Ben: Business ethics class: offer personal beliefs, but doesn’t expect students to follow them, but to challenge them.

 

Do you agree that college shapes morals or already have them?

-College helps you explore the extent you believe and helps you solidify your morals that you already have before college.

-Could help you define them more than high school

 

-Peers have a lot to do with it (small town to big city).  This could leave room to change.

-You could change morals because it is stepping away from parents.

-Being immersed in a different culture.

-Ideas that you haven’t heard before, help you redevelop your morals.

 

All students should have to study many different subjects, but that means you have to invest time and money into classes that do not relate. What are your views on this?

 

-That would be too much with the amount of classes we already have to take

-Should only have to take about two or three

-Most jobs in America can have things taught to you on the job, so employers look for personality and personal aspects. Therefore, colleges should shape people into good citizens.

-A lot of general education classes could teach you about writing well and communication, leading to good background for many majors once they are looking for jobs.

-Need outside experience: meeting different kinds of people, volunteering

-Need to experience things outside the classroom

 

How do you feel about service learning?

 

-Should not be a necessity, but a decision.

-Students should be prepared

-Won’t teach anything, students may not want to do it because they have to. Since they are being forced, they may not want to.

-Can have an environment that encourages students to do it.

-Don’t think its wrong to force colleges to do it, but students should be aware of this before applying or accepting.

-Ethics course: some values are placed higher than others

-Students can chose whether or not to believe them

 

February 14th, Option 2 Deliberation part 2:

  1. It’s the students choice to agree with the ethics and opinions offered in an ethics class
  2. Should a college put in an honor code, or are they prying into our lives?
    1. Some rules good, like dorm rules (quiet rules, etc.) good for safety
    2. Integrity rules are good-not cheating, plagiarizing
    3. Schools shouldn’t be teaching behavioral rules-may not always agree

i.      Students can’t be taught how to act or what to believe

ii.      Who are they to tell you how to handle a situation-can’t be forced

  1. Rules can’t be too strict-or else college, a place where we are supposed to discover ourselves, everyone comes  out the same

i.      Some people believe that college is like a factory and producing like-minded people

ii.      If we have similar values, then what is the point of enforcing values?

iii.      There should be diverse values

  1. Integrity-don’t agree with because they encourage more about the grade and tests rather than learning and actual education

i.      Integrity laws-allow for fairness, if you put the work in you succeed

ii.      If there are less test, people won’t want to cheat because they don’t need to strive to get that perfect grade

  1. Problem of less test-people don’t work so hard because they don’t feel encouraged to learn and master the subject
  2. Students aren’t motivated to do well unless it gives them a good grade

iii.      Honor code is a way for the university the protect themselves from the public

  1. Idealistic-most people probably don’t actually follow it
  2. Should be more collaboration

i.      Once we leave college-lots of collaboration in workplace, why not practice it now (it’s important to learn to work with others

ii.      But it’s hard because people need to show their own individual skills-someone could just be along for the ride within a group (individual and collaborative work-a nice blend of both)

iii.      Our education system reflects what our society teaches-to be competitive and about the individual-other countries people learn to work together

iv.      Group work could still bring a competitive edge-person wants to become the leader of the group (reflects our individualistic values we learn from our society)

  1. International acceptance

i.      Its fine-if they get in and they pay the college then they can come-that’s the way our country works

  1. International populace is important to society

ii.      We should all be judged on the same scale, equality with the international students

iii.      International students help the university grow and may allow for more students to be accepted in the future

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