~Group Deliberation: Abby, Sam, Sonia, Maya, Jordan, Emily, Shannon ~
Feb. 17- PART 2
A: ACT- lots of students were behind in core subjects on the ACT…should schools be in charge of getting students up to speed?
S: HS doesn’t want to teach how to take a test
Jo- as long as students understand basic things they should pass the exams.
E- if you go to practice classes you can “crack the code” and you know what questions to expect. You know what they’ll try to trick you on.
Jo- so should the test be changed?
All agree that it’s flawed.
A: colleges use these as benchmarks….so how else do they project how successful we’ll be?
S- depends on the school, some don’t look at it as much. But also numbers matter because of how many people apply.
M- Even though SATS are not perfect college is a lot of test taking so I understand why these are looked at.
So- A lot of my classes are not very exam based
A: SO should tax payers pay more to fund more scholarships?
S- that’s what the European system is, but it’s also harder to get into a good college.
M- where would they redistribute the money from?
E- People who have the money will be upset about paying higher taxes for lower income people.
E- especially if they have their own kids
M- That’s somewhat socialism if the government pays for everything but no one wants to call it that, even though that’s what a lot of people actually want.
Jo- And it works in a lot of countries
S- But I think our government is inefficient with their money
So- eventually this might happen, but I don’t think it will happen soon.
E- if tuition prices keep increasing will there be a rebellion at some point?
Jo- right now there’s just more debt being piled up
A: Should colleges become better at managing their funds? Would this decrease quality?
E- I would like to know where more of the money is going.
*Dr. J explains that our tuition does not directly go to things like the football program or a staff assistant, and not even professors. There are several dif. Blocks of our school budget: ex: state money. More complicated than just our money going to sports programs….Lots of drama caused my the unbalanced nature of the budget. *
M- So the school can only change things by changing how much they pay professors, etc.
A: BACK to Fair Opportunities. Any conclusions? We talked about increasing options, but do you think that if more people could got to 4 year schools, this would decrease the quality?
Jo- Depends on what school you go to, some schools accept very few. So there would only be a negative effect in terms of offering FEWER personal classes, larger sizes.
M- I agree.
S- if everyone has a degree, what is a degree worth?
Jo- But could having higher education improve the product or service?
A-so should kids be encouraged to go to different types of institutions rather than just a 4 yr college?
E- you have to know what kind of person you’re dealing with….not everyone will excel in 4 yr schools.
S- Community College is great for a lot of people, but our society pushes university.
E- Our culture still negatively judges those who don’t go to 4 year schools
A: So how does this affect job prospects?
M- Many jobs need masters degrees, so Community College is a good place to start
So- we will always need people from trade schools to do the things that most people aren’t taught to do anymore
S- Many tech jobs are in demand now because now most people don’t know how to do those types of things as well.
Conclusions- Fairness should not be the #1 concern, due to the large drawbacks that come with it such as much larger classes and potential decreased quality. But more people should be encouraged to pursue their talents, whether it be in community college or trade school as well, since a 4 year university isnt’ what everyone needs.